Patriotism and the Pulpit: Balancing Faith and Freedom

Discover how one man’s renewal of traditional Christian values stands against the intrusion of woke ideologies in the church when Pastor Lucas Miles discusses his insightful book Woke Jesus: The False Messiah Destroying Christianity. We also chat with Natasha Owens, whose stirring patriotic songs capture the essence of both the Christian and country music landscapes.

We confront the falsity of woke Christianity, drawing from historical heresies and scriptural examples to dive deeper into discussion. We’re reminded that the true Messiah’s story is one of timeless relevance and caution against the secularization of Jesus. With Pastor Miles’s guidance, we navigate these theological waters, reaffirming the importance of a biblically grounded faith that withstands the currents of cultural change.

The conversation then turns to the practicalities of gun rights, the power of music, and the balancing act between freedom and faith. Through personal reflections and Owens’s artistry, the episode covers how patriotic songs can challenge and inspire, even in the face of opposition. Her experience showcases the resilience necessary for artists who dare to voice their convictions, modeling how to stand firm in one’s beliefs in a world that is so against them.

Join us for this thought-provoking episode to fortify your understanding of faith, freedom, and the resolve to preserve them in a society determined to destroy them.

You can buy Pastor Miles’s Woke Jesus here: https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Jesus-Messiah-Destroying-Christianity/dp/B0BZX19FXX

Natasha Owens’s newest album American Patriot is available on multiple streaming platforms, including Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube Music, and on her website https://natashaowensmusic.com.


Show Transcript

Kelly Tshibaka: 0:04
Hello America and hello Alaska. Welcome to Stand with Kelly and Niki Tshibaka. This is where we shoot down fear faster than Wyatt Earp at Tombstone’s OK Corral. This is going to be a wonderful episode. We’ve got great stuff in store. But first remember you can become one of our standouts by subscribing to our show on your favorite podcast platform. If you need us on YouTube at the stand show, leave us a review this week and you could be entered to win this sticker from stand. You’ll be that lucky winner. Enter to win. Follow us on social media at Kelly for Alaska or you can find us on our website, stand show dot org. Remember to share this episode with a friend or family member and grow our community of standouts. Okay, we have a power packed episode for you today Coming up on stand. We’re going to talk to Natasha Owens. She’s an award winning Christian music artist and a country music artist with a brand new patriotic song about the Constitution. She also is boldly standing for truth in the Christian community and some shocking revelations about what she’s facing there. But first we get to talk to Pastor Lucas Miles. He’s the lead pastor of Influence Church in Granger Indiana and the president of the Influence Network. He’s a respected voice in the American church. He’s consistently taking a stand on some of the most challenging topics today theology, politics, culture. We’re going to hear about that. He’s been syndicated in articles across both political and religious news outlets. You may have seen him in Newsmax, the Blaze Flashpoint, fox News, the Washington Times. He’s also the author of the bestselling book the Christian Left how Liberal Thought has Hijacked the Church. Today we’re going to talk to him about his latest book, an Amazing Read, which has very provocative and a thought-provoking title Woke Jesus, the False Messiah Destroying Christianity. You can find these books and buy them on his website, lucasmilesorg. Pastor Lucas, we’re so glad to have you on stand today. Thank you for being with us.

Lucas Miles: 2:08
Hey, I’m glad to be with both of you. Appreciate it.

Kelly Tshibaka: 2:11
We are so excited. Give us a bit of your background on your story, why you’re interested in this topic. I think it’s important for people who might be listening and don’t understand the story of creation and Jesus. I summarize it as this In the beginning, god created us. Oneness created with God and with each other. Then, the fall of humanity, oneness was destroyed with God and with each other. Then, through Jesus Christ, who is God in a man, and his death and resurrection, oneness is restored with God and with each other. Oneeness created, oneeness destroyed, oneeness restored. Just for people who might not be familiar with what’s different about Christianity than other religions, there’s always this dangerous pull, I think, for us to make God in our image instead of remembering that God made us in his image. It pulls us back to that oneness destroyed concept instead of us being reconciled to God. That’s what I’m seeing in this Woke Jesus book when I read excerpts of it and I read about it. I’ve listened to many of your interviews. There’s always this temptation for people to pull Jesus into making him in our image rather than going through the process of him, making us more like him. What inspired you? What are you seeing? What caused you to write an entire book about it.

Lucas Miles: 3:36
Yeah, first off, I appreciate you having me on the show. It’s always good to speak to a new audience and excited just to share with Alaska here as this is getting out as well For me personally. I grew up in the church. I had sort of what I call the Samuel experience. I lived down the street from the church. I was here all the time, hung out with pastors and staff and played basketball in the gym all the time. It took me probably later on in high school, where I really had that experience, where I first heard God’s voice, I really felt like there was a call on my life. I was about 15 or 16 years old when I felt a call into ministry. Honestly, I never looked back. I started preaching at 17. My wife and I planted a church when I was 24. I was still pastor of that same church. Today it’s been literally almost 20 years that I’ve been at the same church as a senior pastor. It’s been one of the greatest honors of my life to lead the people that we have here. But early on in ministry, really in my late teens and early 20s, I became rather infatuated. Although I wouldn’t have used this term at the time, in hindsight I realized that’s what it was. I personally was being drawn into this Christian socialism teaching. I thankfully did not spend a lot of time in that world. I’m either the youngest of Gen X or the oldest of the millennials. I was born in 79. I’m right at that cutoff, tweener generation. There were guys like Rich Mullins in the Christian music world talking about vows of poverty and the start of the social justice movement. As I was growing up in younger years in ministry, all of that was very impactful. It kept leading me deeper and deeper down the rabbit trail of this social gospel, forced to add to people in my life that were able to help steer me away from that. Now. At that time it wasn’t as obvious, it wasn’t as extreme as it is now, but I think that that’s the path that a lot of my peers were on. That’s led them to what I call drift off into the dark waters of progressive Christianity. As I planted the church, I really started doubling down on figuring out what is historic Christianity. My personal study focus is what would be known as patristic history, the first several hundred years of the church. I always want to go. How do we duplicate what Jesus actually put in place, rather than just the copies of a copy of a copy of a copy. Later on that we tried to do. I started seeing here locally around 2012, 2013. I’m in South Bend, indiana. We had Mayor Pete Buttigieg was our mayor. I started seeing the churches in this area just fawn over him. Here he was on the campaign trail exegeting passages of scripture but instead of pushing people to a biblical worldview, he was using scripture as propaganda to promote open borders and diverse views of sexuality and gender and marriage and these things. It really struck a chord with me. I thought you know what? This is, something that it’s too close to home. We have to start addressing it. I started getting pretty involved at that point, just as a pastoral standpoint, of talking about these issues from the pulpit. In 2015, I lost going into 2016,. We lost about 40 or 50% of our church in an eight week period, simply because I did a series on biblical worldview and I talked about socialism, abortion, marriage, sexuality, gender and I just talked about what does the Bible have to say about all these issues. In eight weeks or less, we literally lost 40 or 50% of our church, 40, 50% of our revenue for the ministry. All walked out the door offended, unable to receive what I had to say. We weren’t being political. I wasn’t promoting a candidate or a party, anything like that. It was simply just talking about what does the Bible have to say on these issues? I had a choice at that moment. I could either go okay, this doesn’t work as a pastor, I shouldn’t be addressing this, or I could double down and I could get more serious. Thankfully, the Lord really gave me the strength and the courage to double down. By time COVID happened, by time all these other things happened. We were ready and we were able to stand strong through all of that and still to this day, our church now has grown, probably four times in the last year. Just for people who are looking for a church that is still grounded in biblical orthodoxy. That’s not woke. Of course, book and everything else that I’ve been part of has helped with that. That’s at least a little bit of the background that’s gotten me here today.

Niki Tshibaka: 8:42
That’s fantastic.

Kelly Tshibaka: 8:43
That’s a great story.

Niki Tshibaka: 8:44
Wow, we’ve got a couple minutes left in this segment, so this question might need to be carried over to the next segment. I’m really interested in hearing more from you about how you would distinguish what you refer to as basically biblical Christianity or the biblical Jesus from the woke Jesus, the distinction between the gospel as we understand Christian Orthodoxy and the woke gospel. I know it’s probably a longer answer than two minutes, so if we run out of time, we’ll carry it over.

Lucas Miles: 9:19
I’ll do my best here and feel free to cut me off if we’re heading in, but simply put that woke Christianity. I mean, it’s really a term that is simply trying to cover up the fact that what we are seeing today is actually cultural Marxism that’s crept into the church and this critical theory, this Marxist ideology. It is crept into Christianity in the form of the social gospel or the social justice message. And when you look at it at its foundation and I can unpack this after the break more is that it is a different Jesus. It’s actually not the Jesus of the New Testament. It is a Jesus based upon what was referred to in theology as the historical Jesus movement or the quest for the historical Jesus. There was actually a group of German philosophers after the Enlightenment that set out to paint a picture of Jesus apart from the New Testament, cutting away all the supernatural elements, all of the divinity, all of the Godhead, and they created sort of this great social justice warrior or this man of the people. But he was not the savior of the world. This historical Jesus figure. It’s complete fabrication. He was not this, that Jesus never was a real person. The New Testament is the evidence that we have for the real person of Jesus, who was God in the flesh, but that is the Jesus that the social gospel was based upon. So you’re starting with a faulty foundation and I outlined this all in my book Woke Jesus and so, of course, you end up with false conclusions in this message of wokeism and progressive Christianity. This is why it seems like there’s such a chasm. There’s such a chasm because there’s actually two different Jesuses that they’re talking about.

Kelly Tshibaka: 11:06
Sure, wow, that’s really profound Something. When you go through and you study heresy. There’s nothing new right it? always kind of cycles back and cycles back and cycles back, but the truth is enduring. So I really appreciate that you just brought to all of our attention. This isn’t new. We’ve seen this before. It’s just recycled under a new way and I don’t think that there’s anything wrong in wanting to stand for justice for people. Our God is a God of justice, but how we do it has to be rooted in the Bible and in the true Jesus. It can’t be rooted in something that we concoct or fabricate and make in our own image. So we’re going to take a quick break. We’ll be right back after this break. In the meantime, find out more by the book lukasmilesorg. Hit subscribe if you want to stay posted on what we’re doing. Leave a review, be entered to win our hydroflash sticker for the week. Stand by, we’ll see you in a minute. We’re back on stand with Pastor Lucas Miles, who’s standing for truth by exposing woke isms corruption of the gospel in his new book Woke Jesus. You can find it at lukasmilesorg. Okay, lucas, before we had the break we were talking about this woke Jesus, a counterfeit Jesus. This isn’t new. We even see this in the Bible. There’s an opportunity where Pontius Pilate presents before the people Jesus the Son of God, and then Jesus Barabbas, which means Son of the Father. See if Jesus the Son of the Father and Jesus the Son of the Father, both standing there before the people, and then you get to pick and obviously one is the true Messiah, son of the God, and then one is this horrendous murderer, criminal. And the people pick the horrendous murder criminal. And then Jesus the Christ goes to the cross. So you were explaining that before the break, that this isn’t new. Shortly after that, in the early church, there was another heresy like this that popped up, and now we have this one in our generation. I wanted to ask you someone’s listening to this and they think, oh wow, I’ve never had this awareness before. I know somebody who I care about or I work with, who I think might be going down this road, and I feel inspired enough by listening to stand that I’m actually going to take the courageous step of talking to them. How do they start a conversation about this? What do they say in trying to help them to understand that the woke Jesus isn’t actually the real Jesus?

Lucas Miles: 13:39
Yeah, I think that that’s a very, very important question that a lot of people are facing right now, because we all have loved ones that we care about. And look, the stats are that I mean even among pastors, only one out of eight pastors today still maintains a biblical worldview, according to the most recent stats. So if one out of eight pastors are the only ones holding a biblical worldview, I mean that means that a lot of people in churches are struggling. So even people sitting next to you on Sunday mornings might have a different view of scripture or Jesus and these things. So let’s start with, if this is a young person let’s say it’s a child, a grandchild you have an opportunity to start early in ministering to them and talking to them and having dialogue and questions. It’s important that they’re heard. It’s important that they can share kind of questions that they have. There’s a lot of great ministries out there. I actually am faculty with summit ministries out of Manitou Springs, Colorado. They have camps all over the country that they do over the summer, basically helping students really develop a Christian worldview. All sorts of great lectures, resources, materials that’s important for the younger generation. It’s also important that you’re at a church, that, if this is your kids you’re talking about, that is, really instructing them on these issues. If your church isn’t talking about these things, and or if your church, worse yet, is woke or progressive, you need to find a new church. If you can’t find one in your area, then watch one online. You know, with your family on Sunday mornings, anything is better than nothing when it comes to that. If this is just somebody else in your life, another adult, I think. You know I always encourage natural conversations not to be forceful or abrupt or something like that. But you know, as you get there to be able to say tell me what you, what do you think about the Bible? Like, do you believe that it’s the word of God? Do you believe it’s just a history book? Like, where are you at with that? Because that question is gonna tell you kind of where to move from there. If they’re saying, well, I believe the Bible is the word of God, but you realize that a lot of their beliefs don’t line up with that, that gives you the opportunity to use scripture to be able to talk to them in order to help establish them in a stronger worldview, biblical worldview. If they say, well, I don’t believe that the Bible is the word of God. Now you also know where you have to start in establishing the Bible as the word of God, and it really kind of helps place them there. So I like that question is sort of an early question to sort of discern where somebody is, because there’s a lot of people that say they believe the Bible is the word of God but their teaching is actually contrary to it, and we can use then scripture in order to show that that distance between what they believe and what the Bible actually says.

Kelly Tshibaka: 16:18
I think that’s really good. Another one that I think that I’ve seen in your teachings and in your interviews we all want solutions for justice issues.

Lucas Miles: 16:31

Kelly Tshibaka: 16:32
Jesus delivers solutions for justice issues. But what about the conversations around that, when people are like, well, I really I go to my progressive church because we actually are the hands and feet of Jesus doing?

Lucas Miles: 16:45
social justice things.

Kelly Tshibaka: 16:47
But it always kind of comes up a little bit empty, your rings hollow. What would you say to that?

Lucas Miles: 16:54
Yeah, when you see these progressive ministries, they rarely will ever talk about salvation, heaven, hell, morality, really operating in the love of God. It’s always very permissive, it’s very inclusive and they kind of boil Jesus down to that sort of inclusivity and acceptance sort of gospel. And that’s really not what the gospel was. The reality is is that God does love us unconditionally when we are in Christ, that when we have put faith in His name, that we enter into this relationship with Him where he does love us unconditionally. But that doesn’t mean that sin doesn’t matter or that sin isn’t destructive. Still, the reality is is that sin is always an attempt by us to try to solve a problem outside of God’s rule and reign, outside of God’s principles and precepts. So when you see progressives and liberal Christians in these things, it’s not that their desire is always wrong. Sometimes they want the right outcome. They want people to not be poor, they want people to be accepted, they want people to be shown dignity. Those are all good things. But they go about doing it through a human solution rather than the solutions that we see provided for in scripture. I mean we hear a lot in like critical race theory about intersectionality. The reality is is. Jesus is our intersectionality. He is the one who came, both God and man, that carried the sin of humanity but also was the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, and it’s where sin and righteousness intersect and that he carried that for us and he redeemed us. From there he became victorious. In that way, most of what people are really concerned about at its heart and they wouldn’t always use this term, but I address this in my book is it’s an issue of alienation. It’s an issue of being separated, separated in some way, but and that’s what you pointed out at the start that’s what sin does. Sin separates. The gospel is the only thing. What’s interesting, we have people that are worried about alienation, that people are feeling on a college campus, but they’re not worried about alienation that they’re gonna experience for eternity, about whether or not they receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and that’s the greater alienation that I think that we need to be really concerned about. And if we truly have an interest in justice and righteousness and seeing the world made right, there’s only one solution for that, and that’s Jesus. It’s when he returns and his rule and reign establishes righteousness on planet earth, and so I think that it’s showing people that Jesus is better than the solutions that they could offer through a human understanding of these things, that he cares more about somebody’s acceptance, he cares more about somebody’s future, he cares more about somebody’s dignity, but he has a specific way in which he does that and we are called to live within that, within his realm of righteousness.

Kelly Tshibaka: 19:51
Pastor Lucas, that was beautiful. I love the way that you encapsulated that, and there’s so many testimonies and stories about how Jesus Christ is the solution for alienation. Niki, I know that you and I have talked about what we wanted to talk with him about. What was your question you had for him?

Niki Tshibaka: 20:06
Well, I actually wanna follow up a little bit on what you just talked about, pastor Lucas, because one of the things I appreciated about what you said was that progressive Christians often are trying to get to the right outcome and I think too often within the church context we assume the worst about each other, right and so and that’s, and that creates more division and creates greater difficulties and challenges in communicating with one another on our differences of views and maintaining unity within the body of Christ that’s rooted in orthodoxy. So, but pivoting a little bit, I wanted to ask you why is this so dangerous to the spiritual journey, the walk of a follower of Jesus Christ, to go down this road of believing in a woke Jesus, a counterfeit Messiah?

Lucas Miles: 21:09
Yeah, I mean, look, ultimately what we’re talking about here is not just different interpretations of secondary doctrines or issues. What we’re talking about is an acknowledgement and acceptance of really regarding the Lordship of Christ. Oftentimes also, the idea of God as creator is also challenged by these individuals. God’s created system, whether that be marriage, sexuality, order of government, these things, all of these are sort of on the chopping block with the progressive movement right now and this is ultimately gets to the point where it becomes, I think, a salvation issue. Look, I’m not a big proponent of Christians trying to make determinations about whether or not somebody else is saved, but I think, at a high level standpoint and let me just say that’s God’s business, right, it’s, he’s the one but at a high level standpoint, if we’re talking about rejecting the Lordship of Jesus or rejecting his word, or starting taking kind of a sharpie marker to the New Testament, crossing off all the miraculous accounts and these things, this puts us in really dangerous territory and I think that I worry about people that are in that place. I don’t want to. Just, we can’t have unity with heresy. We can have unity over debatable secondary doctrines, but we can’t have unity with things that are outright blatant aggravations against the Lordship of Jesus and the authority of his word, and so I think that in those instances we have to call people back to repentance, we have to challenge those ideas. Look, and people are always like, well, you can’t. I don’t want to say anything about anybody else, because that just doesn’t feel very Christian. When you study church history, even the New Testament, paul would say things like look out for Alexander the metal worker, because he’s causing much harm. We see Athanasius, right. All sorts of addresses really challenging specific people who were a threat to the church, who were a threat to orthodoxy, that were living outside of a biblical worldview. We could go down through the centuries of church history, from Augustine to Luther and Calvin and others up until today. And again, just because somebody doesn’t mean it’s the right thing, but what we see is that, authoritatively, the church has always addressed these issues very strongly, and I think we are where we are today because the church got soft on these issues. In a lot of ways, we stopped paying attention. There’s so many denominations now that it’s hard to have consensus and so it’s easier kind of this everything goes, everybody just does their own thing, and I think this is where churches across denominations need to circle the wagon and really unify over primary doctrine and take a hard stance against these issues where people are crossing the line, getting away from the Lordship of Jesus. And you know heaven and hell and these, you know major, major Christian, you know tenants, and we have to stand strong at that moment. That’s wonderful.

Niki Tshibaka: 24:16
I think that point is what we can leave it on remembering the Lordship of Christ and sticking to biblical orthodoxy as the answer to the justice issues that we see all around us in the world today. Pastor Lucas Miles, thank you so much. The book is Woke Jesus. You can find it at LucasMilesorg, as well as Pastor Lucas’s other books. Remember to subscribe to our show. Stand on YouTube at the Stand Show and you can find us on social media at Kelly for Alaska. Stand firm, stand strong.

Kelly Tshibaka: 25:02
You’re back on Stand with Kelly and Niki Tshibaka Today. We’re blessed to have Natasha Owens with us. Natasha exploded onto the Christian music scene in 2016. She’s crossed over into country music with many of her incredible songs that have totally blessed me. She’s toured with Michael W Smith and performed for President Trump. She won the inspirational album of the year. She’s had extensive media coverage, with appearances on Fox News and Newsmax, oan, huckabee, real, america’s Voice, the War Room. So if you think she looks familiar, it’s probably because she does. So, natasha, it’s so great to have you on our show today. Welcome to Stand, thank you. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, we’re excited to have you with us.

Niki Tshibaka: 25:48
Yeah, it’s great to have you, natasha, I want to start off. I’d like to ask the first question. I want to start off with talking about the song that you recently released. The Second Protects the First, the Second Protects the First. Talk to us about what inspired you to write that song and what it means to you.

Natasha Owens: 26:11
You know, I wanted to bring an argument to the table that’s not really talked about very much. It’s always about gun grabbing, but it’s never about really what secures our freedom in America, what makes us free and why is America different than any other country? Well, it’s because of our Constitution and our laws. Our Second Amendment protects all of our amendments, especially the first that you know the freedom of religion, the freedom to gather, the freedom of speech, and if we don’t have that, we’re just really an unarmed individual is really a citizen. I mean, an unarmed individual is a subject, but if you’re armed, that individual is considered a citizen. So you have different rights. When you have guns and we really have a gun we don’t have a gun problem. We have other issues in America that really needs to be talked about. So I wanted to bring this to the table and I’m from Texas we are pro-Second Amendment. We love it, we love our freedom, we love our Constitution and I just wanted to put that on the table, to keep talking about it, since we are in the middle of a time period where they continue to chip away and grab at not only our freedoms but our, their want, our guns, yeah you know it reminds me.

Niki Tshibaka: 27:24
There’s this great quote by Frederick Douglass, the great abolitionist, who was an advisor to President Lincoln. He said, quote a man’s rights rest in three boxes the ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box. So there you have Frederick Douglass, all the way back in the day, making that argument, and you know, yeah, I mean. What you said makes so much sense, especially when we look at what’s happening in other countries around the world. I look at where a lot of my family on my father’s side comes from the Democratic Republic of Congo, eastern Congo. It was considered the by the UN at one point the most dangerous place for women in the world because of the violence there. You have so many different rebel groups going around with machine guns and, you know, plowing people down and killing people. They’d be a lot more hesitant if the people they were coming to kill had their own guns. Right, there is that they’re not able to protect themselves. So that that goes to your point, that’s what these politicians are doing.

Natasha Owens: 28:37
They’re creating fear, they’re creating chaos by being light on crime, by not locking up these criminals or really giving them just more than a slap on the on the wrist, and so crime gets out of control. That’s what happened in New Mexico a couple weeks ago, where crime is out of control. In Albuquerque, you had a gang shooting that killed, unfortunately, a child, and the governor came in and said I’m suspending second amendment rights for all individuals for 30 days. Well, they asked her in that press conference do you think the criminals are going to abide by your 30 day? And she said absolutely not. So what are you trying to do? You’re trying to prevent people from being able to protect themselves, their children and their homes, and that’s not the way to do it. The way to do it is to combat crime, combat the border, getting all coming over the border if you really want to keep us safe, but it’s not to chip away at the gun rights of law abiding citizens.

Kelly Tshibaka: 29:33
Well, on that note, though, a lot of the people who advocate for greater gun control say that you know, the more there’s guns and more deaths there will be of innocent people. Niki and I have lost someone we love to gun violence. I know that you’ve lost someone you love to a gun related injury. I wanted to know if you could share with us that story. We all still remain huge advocates of the second amendment and our gun carriers, and yet we’ve lost people that we love. So what’s your story about that?

Natasha Owens: 30:03
Yeah, well, that’s the number one question that I’ve gotten in the past from the press. My dad was sitting at a table cleaning his guns and dealing with a Glock bullet was in the chamber, went off and hit him in the heart Now that problem and he was gone within 60 seconds. The problem here is not with the gun itself. It was the fact that my dad made a mistake. I also. His brother, my uncle, five years prior to that, was murdered by a man, walked into a restaurant bar, killed him and sat and fed his lunch while he was continuing to die on the floor. That is not a gun problem, that is a mental health problem, that is a heart issue and we have a crime issue these days. So it’s different. People tried to cloud my judgment with that and it’s completely different. Taking God out of everything If someone wants to kill, they are going to find a way to kill, whether that is a truck running into a crowd, whether that is a knife, and we need to address the mental health issue as well. But it’s so hard to come to the table sometimes on these type of issues because of this. We could come to the table and say domestic terrorists do not need a gun. Absolutely Everybody I know on either side of politics would agree with that. However, when you have a side that is so power hungry for control over the people and completely tamper with the constitutional laws they condeemed a national, you know they take all Christians, conservatives, and say they are Christian nationalists and Christian nationalists let’s see that tie as domestic terrorists. Suddenly the country is now would be banned from getting a gun, so it’s hard to sit at the table and talk about that. They want to put a bandaid and they want to do it slowly. I love the story about the frog in the pot, how a frog is put in a pot with water and it slowly turned up the heat and you don’t realize how much the frog doesn’t realize what’s happening until the heat is completely turned up. They create these situations, they create lawlessness, and then people just panic and they beg the government to come in with a solution to for a false sense of security and they don’t really understand that what really is at bay is. One hand calls this to happen so the other hand could come and take away their freedoms. I don’t know one person in this United States that would freely give up their freedom, so they have to manipulate them.

Kelly Tshibaka: 32:39
Right. Well, your music video on this song is pretty amazing. I mean having seen it. So everyone listening. You can watch it on YouTube at Natasha Owens Music. So tell us a little bit about the interesting things we can see in this video, from the Humvee to your co-star. Then we’ll end this segment with playing a little bit of the video and we’ll pick up on the other side of the break. But what can people see in this? So they know what they’re watching?

Natasha Owens: 33:02
We had so much fun. We did kind of an over the top tongue in cheek, which I hope people take it as that whenever they see it. We started out at my local gun range that I’ve been a part of for years. We go there all the time with my family and I decided to include a girl that is so much like me. I made friends last year with a girl called Donia Vizzi and she is a world champion, olympic champion, gold medalist. She’s on the US shooting team and she has a personality that’s a lot like mine. I was raised a tomboy, so I was. I was. I’m very tough and rugged and love guns, love football, all these things. But I’m also very girly and she’s just like me. And I called her one day and I said Donia, I have the greatest idea for my music video for the song Come to Texas and get on a Humvee with me with a 50 cal. And she was I mean bags packed. She was ready to go. So then we went out onto some property and had a military Humvee with a 50 cal on top and we had so much fun shooting that that footage it was more fun than work to me. And then I wanted to show in the in the third part of it, how situations come arise when you’re out in public or you’re in your home and criminals who don’t abide by the laws, who will always get guns Suddenly you’re at the wrong place at the wrong time and they cross your path, whether it’s coming into your home or meeting you in the parking garage, like we showed and in that situation, a gun can save a life, it can save your property, it can cause the other criminals to run. If you don’t have that, you have nothing to defend yourself, and so I just wanted to put that. Music is so powerful, but video with it is so powerful, and I wanted for people to really catch what’s happening here. They’re coming for the citizens and we have to be able to defend our families. I know I feel much safer with my gun and my purse.

Kelly Tshibaka: 35:10
Absolutely, also known as your best friend. Well, we’re going to pick up on the other side of the break, so, standouts, please make sure to hit subscribe on your favorite platform. Find us on YouTube at the stand show. Find Natasha at Natasha Owen’s music. But in the meantime, we’re going to show a short clip from this music video and so you can see a little bit of what Natasha’s talking about in this awesome new release that she has. We’ll pick up on the other side of this break to talk about a little bit more about music and Natasha’s influence on music and some of her thoughts on what’s going on in America. After this break. Stand by. I’m a living, let live woman.

Natasha Owens: 35:52
Do your thing and I’ll do mine. I’m a lover, not a fighter, unless you go and cross the line. There are times we may find Everything just goes from by the worst. I hope to never use that little something hiding in my purse. But the singing Prince takes the face.

Kelly Tshibaka: 36:37
We’re back on stand with country music artist Natasha Owens, also famous Christian music artist. Music can really influence society and shape people’s thinking, natasha, so we see that with a recent set of songs like all of our Anthony song, the Richmond North of Richmond, and then that’s Jason Aldean song try that in a small town. I think your recent album, american Patriot, was really quite powerful. I personally really loved your album Warrior and I know that one of your Christian albums of course won a huge award. But this American Patriot album really pushes back on all this anti-American sentiment of the pro Marxist act of the 19th century and I think you call it out really well. I wanted to ask you to tell us about the album why you think it’s important. Anything else you want to share about what inspired you in those songs.

Natasha Owens: 37:32
Well, you know, when COVID hit all, of our rights were kind of suspended for the health emergency, and I think, up to that point I’ve always been appreciative of our military, the sacrifice for our freedom. I’ve always loved my freedom, but that was the first time they had really severely been impinged upon, and so I wanted to. At the same time, we’re seeing this anti-American, anti-flag type movement, and so I wanted to do a couple of things. I wanted to bring a spotlight on how great this country really is. It’s still, with all of its falls, the lighthouse on top of the hill that people run to, and I wanted to give back to the vets and show them my appreciation of the people, of how much I love this country, and to thank them for their sacrifice, because my freedom was not free and I didn’t earn it because I haven’t been on the battle. So I wanted to push back at that. So we created an album that came out last year, has 10 songs on it. Some are just the old greats, like America the Beautiful and God Bless America, and of course, our Spengal. Banner and, of course, god Bless the USA. But I wanted to put some new ones in there that could be new freedom anthems and I think people are really gravitating to it because, look, I just think that we have a lot of things going on right now and most of it is not common sense. When the killer person that lives in America sits down, a lot of this doesn’t make sense. They gravitate to our songs like Try that in a Small Town, the North of Richmond song and some that I am trying to put out there to music because it’s common sense. It’s exactly how they’re sitting feeling. They don’t feel how the media is trying to tell them to feel. That’s a great point. Yeah, so we did that 10 song album and then we had been creating a song a month to put a double album out this next year. It’s going to be a double American patriot and we’re hitting topics like the Second Amendment. We’re hitting topics like the Rhino Republicans in not only Texas but in Washington, how it’s just one big uniparty and I can’t tell the difference between these that are not standing up for our conservative values. They’re just going along with the Democrats or not stopping the Democrats. So we’re hitting different. I’m going to hit the two-gender topic. We’re just hitting all these things that people are either too afraid to talk about or can’t seem to talk about, whereas I can put it into music and not be censored so much as much.

Kelly Tshibaka: 40:13
Yeah, I love that. We’ll probably want to have you back on to talk about that, because it’s exactly our profiling on this show. When I look at your album and I go down and it has all the ratings from crowd sourcing, what do people think? And it’s like off the charts, off the charts, mostly off the charts, off the charts. And I thought, wow, these songs and I’ve listened to them, they’re really great. But I wanted to ask you, as an artist, you are really self-critical of your own work usually which one do you like the most? Which one really resonated with you? Because there are a lot of new songs. I was like freedom is the song stand for life, really original, powerful songs. And I thought, wow, I wonder which one really captures Natasha’s heart.

Natasha Owens: 40:59
You know it’s so hard. It’s like asking a parent who’s your favorite child.

Kelly Tshibaka: 41:03
That’s a fair point yeah, it depends on the day.

Natasha Owens: 41:07
It depends on the day. I gravitate to each of them differently. When it comes to the America First song, I think the people. This is why President Trump’s movement is so powerful, because every blow Joe American out there, the majority of conservative Americans, the heart meat of this country, wants to have our politicians put America first. We are the nation that gives 95% of the charities. We are the ones that keep everybody going, and we can’t do that if we’re not healthy. We are now. Some people can’t even pay their grocery bill, their utility bills. Our inflation is out the roof because of all the giving to Ukraine. We want to be put first, and so I wanted to put out an anthem, because that’s where my heart is. Take care of my vets here in America, take care of our homeless, take care of our children that are hungry, rather than getting involved in a war that we really don’t have any business being in. That’s just one example of many. But freedom is the song. We wrote that because, like I said, I feel like the heartbeat of every American, no matter what side of politics. People love their freedom, and so they just don’t always realize. It’s a very in-depth thing that you’ve got to look back to history what happens when a country takes away their guns. In Germany, china and Russia in the past, 100 million people were taken and killed after that happened. But these young ones don’t know that because history has been completely rewritten or deleted. They’re not even taught the correct way in school. They don’t know what they need to be fighting for. And then we decided to put a song on there called Stand For Life. That is. It probably has a very dear place to my heart, because back in 2017, 18, when New York and Virginia decided to make full-term abortions legal, I’d never seen such evil. I’d never thought you can kill a baby at 40 weeks with no repercussions. That’s murder. So we wrote a song called Stand and put it on the Last Christian album my fourth album that I put out and as a motivation to Christians to stand up for what’s right and stand up for the most. I mean probably, in my opinion, the most unbelievable thing a Christian can stand up for, that is life. That’s babies. And so I said I need to go further. I need to be visuals, I need to hit the abortion topic, and it was a very tough song to write at first because it’s such a negative topic, right, but I wanted to motivate Christians to stand up for life, so we wrote Stand for Life, and that is the song that has given me more problems in the contemporary Christian market, believe it or not.

Kelly Tshibaka: 43:58
Oh, interesting.

Niki Tshibaka: 44:00
Yeah, that actually anticipates a question I wanted to ask you because I mean, your songs are really hard hitting, you don’t hold back, and I wanted to ask you what kind of opposition you’ve encountered and how have you handled it. And I want to make a reference that in the Christian music industry you’ve gotten some pushback on that song. Tell us more about that and any other kind of opposition you’ve gotten.

Natasha Owens: 44:27
Yeah. So you know, I wanted to veer out, I wanted to be brave, but I wanted to have a home to come back to in contemporary Christian, I didn’t think that putting out a song about protecting and standing for babies would be it the Christian community is. They’re very silent, they’re very lazy right now, 47 million evangelicals aren’t even registered to vote and they’re not ready to be hated or persecuted. And so they want to toe this line of trying to show love without calling out the sin, and Jesus always called out the sin. There’s no sin that’s greater than any other. And so, for instance, I was invited to be, for the fourth time in a row, worship leader and speaker at a big women’s group in Virginia. The radio station, the big charting radio station it’s always supported by music had a meeting and said we need to fire her off of this event because she’s too controversial, she’s too pro-life. And the women’s group said you got to be kidding me, am I hearing this right? She could offend someone who’s had an abortion. Well, thankfully, the women’s group did not back down or budge on that and I still came and everything worked out fine. But that was the first glimpse. Then I’ve had many interviews with radio stations that didn’t go well because they didn’t want to air anything that had to do with standing for life. They think it’s too controversial and we have to be more like Jesus. We have to call out the sin, but we have to do it with such love, grace and mercy that the sinners gravitate to us. We need to take an example of that. So up until that point I kind of toeed the line of really not wanting to be too political. How hard do I punch in these topics? And when that happened I thought if this is the type of industry that is going to give me problems over something such as a life topic, do I really care if I’m really have a home in it? So I just said forget it, put the gloves on let’s box. And so I did a Trump one song that came out in March and went number one and that probably sealed my fate. But it’s OK. I’m standing on a platform of truth, I’m going to be hitting biblical principles and hopefully it will give someone else enough courage to stand up and do the right thing.

Kelly Tshibaka: 46:46
That’s good, Natasha. Courage is contagious and that’s what we want to do is give other people the inspiration to equip and empower them to stand up to life’s challenges. I find it ironic that you could be quote to pro life in a crowd that represents Jesus. When Jesus is life, Can you be to pro Jesus? That’s interesting it is Well Nashville.

Natasha Owens: 47:11
you’re seeing it a little bit in country with Marin Morris and then Jason outing some of the different side. It’s not so much in country. In Nashville, it is contemporary Christian, yeah, which I have a lot of opinions on why that is Wrap up.

Kelly Tshibaka: 47:29
So, natasha, thanks for being with us. Really great points from Natasha. We want to encourage you to check out her music and support her for taking a stand. So let’s stand with her at Natasha Owens Music and let’s look forward to this next album that’s going to be released. And you can follow us on YouTube at the stand show social media Kelly for Alaska. Make sure to leave a review if you want to be entered to win our sticker for this week, the stand sticker hydro flask. We’ll see you next week on stand with Kelly and Niki Tshibaka. Stand firm, stand strong and stand with courage, like Natasha has been. It’s super inspirational. Thanks for being with us today, Natasha, thank you for having me.

June 27, 2024 @ 7:30pm

The Fight for Freedom in America and Israel

Professor Alan Dershowitz

Trump's Impeachment Attorney
Harvard Law Professor, Emeritus