Kelly Tshibaka: 0:07
Hello America and hello Alaska. Welcome to Stand where we learn from inspiring people who are standing boldly for their convictions and ideas on how we can improve our communities, our cities and our country. I’m Kelly Tshibaka. I’m joined with my husband and co-host, Niki Tshibaka. I cannot wait to introduce you to our fantastic guest, but first remember to join our community of standouts by subscribing to our show at the stand show on YouTube. That’s, at the stand show on YouTube. You can also find us on our website, standshow. org, or follow us on social media. Kelly for Alaska. Remember to invite your friends too. The greater impact we have will be when we stand together. And now let me introduce you to our fantastic guest for the day. Today we have Larry Elder, also known as the Sage from South Central. He’s a New York Times bestselling author, award-winning documentary filmmaker and one of the best-known media figures in America today His flagship daily radio program, the Larry Elder Show. The Larry Elder Show was heard every weekday in all 50 states, including here in the last frontier of Alaska, and on more than 300 stations. In 2021, larry ran a nationally renowned, bold and inspiring campaign for Governor of California. In the recall effort against Governor Gavin Newsom, he took a common sense and courageous stand for policies that promoted sensible law enforcement rather than proliferating crime, and booming housing rather than the ballooning homelessness that we’re seeing. And today, larry is taking a bold stand again. He is running for President of the United States. He’s also written a book entitled as Goes California my Mission to Rescue the Golden State and Save the Nation. And, larry, we totally love the picture on the cover of your book. It’s the best. So we’re truly honored to have Larry Elder on our show today to talk about his presidential run, and I want to emphasize this If you want to support Larry, you can go to LarryEldercom. That’s LarryEldercom, larry. Welcome to stand. When more people hear your message, I think the more momentum you’re going to gain.

Niki Tshibaka: 2:21
Speaking of people hearing your message, our oldest daughter is in college right now and I was telling her last night. She’s up at odd hours, so she was calling us at around 11 o’clock and she was talking about stuff in college and I said well, you know we’re going to be talking to Larry Elder tomorrow and she said the Larry Elder yes, larry Elder. She said the Larry Elder yes, she’s like I’m so jealous, and the reason I share that with you, larry, is I think what struck me about that is that your voice is having a generational impact, and so to hear a younger generation right, she’s 19 years old saying that she’s been impacted and influenced by and inspired by the stands that you’ve taken, by the policy prescriptions that you’ve put out there, I think says a lot, and so just wanted to encourage you with that, that the people who are listening it’s across generations that that you’re impacting.

Larry Elder: 3:25
Well, you know, Niki, that is so flattering. I’ve been on radio and TV for almost 40 years. I’ve had a column since April of 1998. That’s around 12,000, 1200 columns, rather about 30,000 hours of radio, new York Times best selling. Often I’ve been debating these issues for some 40 years and every now and then a young person will come up to me and say you know, my dad used to make me listen to you while I was being driven to and from elementary school and little by little I began saying dad, can you cut on Larry Elder? So it’s really flattering to hear that. Can I give you a little story? I have often asked what are some of the interesting things that happened on the camp in trail. This just happened. Yesterday. I was in DC and getting ready to come back to LA. So we’re at the Reagan National Airport and I’m in the restroom Now. My dad, as we may talk about in the next few minutes, used to clean toilets. When we grew up my dad had two full time job cleaning toilets at the Bisco brand bread and then he got another hookup at another brand company called Barbara and bread, where he also cleaned toilets for almost 10 years. And so whenever I’m in a restroom and I see a janitor there. I always give the janitor a tip. Nobody else does that. I’m not saying thank you to mean anybody else, I’m just saying I’ve just noticed nobody else does that. So I’m in the in the bathroom, the janitor there, who happened to be black and he appears to be about 40 years old and he’s sweeping up and it’s a very crowded bathroom and I finished my washing my hands and I with my ball, and I pulled out a $20 bill and I gave it to him. I said thank you, I started walking away and he went wow, wow, you know it’s gonna go. It’s gonna go right in the pocket of my daughter. And I said well, that’s why we have no money. And he said wait a minute, you did. You did got it running for president. I see you on Fox Real loud. I’m a Republican, I think, for myself. I, like you, stand for. By the way, I was listening to Steve Bannon podcast yesterday. Other day he brought your name up and it was a very positive mind of a taken selfie.

Niki Tshibaka: 5:20
So we had a guy our picture.

Larry Elder: 5:22
All this happened in the bathroom at the Reagan National Airport. I have no idea how the other people in the bathroom felt about it. Quite an experience.

Niki Tshibaka: 5:30
Hopefully they all have their backs to you. That’s fantastic. And, speaking of your father, I’d like to start off by asking the question about sort of your upbringing in your background. You grew up in a bipartisan home, a mother who was a Democrat and a father was Republican, and your father is impressive figure to in and of himself, Staff Sergeant Randolph Elder. Back when FDR allowed all the races to come and serve in the military in 1941, your dad was among that initial force of African American Marines who enlisted at Camp Lejeune to fight for their country and in so doing he became a pioneer for racial equality. So you have an amazing legacy of military service and the long march to racial equality, and your father in fact posthumously won the Congressional Gold Medal. So I’d like to ask you just two questions. First of all, how did growing up in a bipartisan home shape or influence the development of your political views and what? was it like to receive, on your father’s behalf, that Congressional Gold Medal I mean it’s the highest civilian honor and to see him recognize as an important figure in the history of our country in the pursuit of racial equality.

Larry Elder: 7:01
And not only did my dad get the Congressional Gold Medal posthumously, but Dana Warbacher, republican Congressman out here, arranged for him to have his medal delivered to him at a ceremony at Camp Hamilton. All these stress marine colors guys were there. It’s on YouTube. It’s Google Larry Elder, staff Sergeant, larry Elder. You can watch the whole presentation and it was amazing to all have all these people honor my father like that. It was extraordinary. And my dad, as you pointed out, he was a lifelong Republican. My mom was a lifelong Democrat and, oh, it’d be a fly on the wall during dinner or during breakfast when we were able to have it together to hear them talk. And my mother had very strong views, my dad had very strong views. They argued them very passionately, but nobody called anybody a fascist, nobody called anybody a Nazi. Nobody said you only care about the rich, you don’t care about the poor. They argued everything very, very aggressively but civilly and I don’t know why we can’t. We can’t do that. And, as I mentioned, my father clean toilets. My father never knew his biological father. My last name is elder, that was the name of some man who was in his life the longest, who was an alcoholic, who physically would beat up his mom and when my dad tried to stop it, he beat up my father, and his mom was very irresponsible. He was the only child and she couldn’t either read nor write. So my dad doesn’t even know his birthday. He knows a year, but it’s another day, because she couldn’t even write it down in the family Bible, because of course, he wasn’t born in a hospital and my dad came home at the age of 13. And he starts quarreling with my mom, with his mom’s then boyfriend, and his mother sides with the boyfriend and throws my father out of the house, never to return. A 13 year old black boy. Athens, georgia, jim Crow, south. At the beginning of the Great Depression, my dad said he picked up trash, he cleaned out barns. Ultimately he became a poohman porter on the trains. They were the largest private employer of blacks in those days. So this young man from the south was able to travel all around the country and he came to this place called California and a city called Los Angeles. My dad was blown away, kelly. He could walk through the front door of a restaurant and get served and sit down and get served, and my dad always had packages of crackers and tin cans of tuna with him because in the south never knew whether he’d be able to get a meal. So my dad made a middle note maybe Sunday I’ll relocate to California, pearl Harbor. My dad joins the Marines. And I asked him why and he said two reasons. They go where the action is and I love the uniforms. So my dad was stationed on the island of Guam and you mentioned about my dad being a pioneer, nicky. I gave a speech one time at a Veterans Affairs and I talked about my dad a little bit and when the speech was over, this man came up to me. He’s about maybe 95 years old and he says I probably served on the island of Guam with your dad. I said well, my dad was in charge of cooking, so my dad probably served you a meal. And he says no, he wouldn’t have because the military was segregated in those days. The black Marines were served by black Marines and the white Marines were served by white Marines. So I went home that day and my dad was in the back of the house, mom was in the front and I said mom, when dad was in the military and he was in charge of cooking facilities, did he serve both black Marines and white Marines. She said yes, both black and white Marines. So I went in the back room I said, dad, when you were in the Marines and you were cooking, were you serving both black Marines and white Marines? He said no, no, just black Marines. My mom didn’t even know, I didn’t even I never explained that this man that I didn’t even know came up to me and said no, I don’t think so because of this, that and the other. So my dad gets out of the Marines.

Kelly Tshibaka: 10:33
Wait, larry, let’s take a short break. We want to hear the rest of your story. We’ll be right back with Larry Elder in a minute. Stay tuned. Music, music, music, music, music, music, music.

Larry Elder: 11:11
Music, music, music. Another one and goes to another one. He’s told the same thing all three times. We don’t hire niggers. My dad goes to an unemployment office. The lady says you went through the wrong door. My dad goes out to the hall. She’s colored, only goes to that door to the very same lady who sent him out. She’s wanted him to know what the rules were. So my dad came home to my mom and said this is nonsense. I’m going to LA, where I was before the war, and I’m gonna get me a job as a cook and I’ll send for you. So my dad comes out to LA. He walks around for half a day and he’s told at every single restaurant you don’t have any references. My dad said I need references to make ham and eggs. He even offered to work for free to get a reference, a written reference, and nobody would do that. So he treated him the same way in LA as in Chattanooga, maybe a little more polite. He goes to the unemployment office, this time just one door Lady says I have nothing. My dad says what time do you open? She says nine. What time do you close? She says five. My dad said I’ll be sitting in that chair until you have something. My dad sat there for a whole day, came back the next day. She calls him up. She says I have something. I don’t know whether you’re going to want it. My dad said, of course I’m going to want it. I’m starting a family. What is it? She says a job cleaning toilets and a Bisco brand brand. My dad did that for 10 years. Second full time job, as I mentioned earlier, with another brand company, cook for a family in the weekend. Because he wanted to make additional money, because he wanted my mom to be a stay at home mom, which she was until the youngest of us was in middle school and he went to night school to get his GED. And after getting that he went back to night school to learn how to operate a small restaurant. Saves his nickels and dimes. Age 47, starts a small restaurant near downtown LA. When my dad retires he owns that restaurant the property below it, little piece of property next door to it, plus the home that’s still in our family, not too shabby for an eighth grade dropout after the Georgia Jim Crow, when systemic racism was systemic racism and my Republican dad always told my brothers and me Democrats want to give you something for nothing. When you try and get something for nothing, you almost always end up getting nothing for something. They used to drive my mom crazy, and he also brought my brothers and me the following Hard work wins. You get out of life what you put into it. You cannot control the outcome, larry, but you are 100% in control of the effort. And before you moan or groan about what somebody did or said to you, go to the nearest mirror, look at it and ask yourself what could I have done to change the outcome? And finally, no matter how good you are, how hard you work, sooner or later bad things are going to happen to you. How do you deal with those bad things? Will tell your mother and me if we raised a man, and that’s my philosophy, that’s what drives me, that’s what drives my brothers and that’s why, frankly, I have so little tolerance when I hear this stuff about systemic racism and how the man is holding people back. This is the only majority white country that’s ever voted, let alone reelected, a black president. You can go from nothing to something faster in America than you can in any other country in all of human history. As you and I are speaking, there are Haitians and Haiti, lining up for a shot at a lottery to come into America. Yet many people are deluded into believing that they’re held back by certain kinds of systems, when in fact, the formula to escape poverty, as outlined by a left-wing think tank called the Brookings Institution, finish high school. Make sure, by the way, you can graduate from one where you can read, writing and put it at great level. That’s why I support school choice. Don’t have a kid before you’re 20 years old. Get married first, get a job, keep a job, don’t quit until you get another one and avoid the criminal justice system. If you do that, you will not be poor. If you don’t do that, there’s a really good chance you will be. That’s the formula that we ought to be telling people, particularly so-called black leaders like Barack Obama, al Sharpton, jesse Jackson, farrakhan, when in fact, they’re doing the opposite telling black kids they’re being held back because of racism, and it does a great deal of damage to race relations. Plus, it is not true and you’re undermining the enthusiasm that people ought to have towards attacking life and doing the kinds of things you need in order to get ahead and your personal story shows us that you know.

Kelly Tshibaka: 15:05
going from what you told us about your dad of facing real systemic racism, to his son running for president and being the front-runner for the Republican Party for governor in the recall against Gavin Newsom, what did you learn in that incredibly difficult battle? The whole nation had its eyes on you.

Larry Elder: 15:25
It sure did. In the hotel room the night of the election, kelly, we had four TV sets One was on CNN, one was on Fox, one was on MSNBC and one was on local ABC News, and several times all four of the channels was talking about the race. That’s kind of out of body. You’re sitting in your hotel room and you’re just got off the campaign trail and they’re counting the results and all four of the three, the major cable networks are talking about you, plus the local news. It’s out of body. What I learned is it’s almost impossible to win as a Republican in California. One has not won in almost 20 years. The reason I did the recall is because I figured if the ball carried him the right way, I could conceivably squeak in with a little at 25% of the total votes cast, giving me about a year and a half before he has to run, for I have to run for another four years and between then and the next time I have to run, I could explain to people that I don’t have a horn, I don’t have a tail, and maybe, just maybe, their lives might have improved a little bit and I can get a fresh four. But no one’s won in California in almost 20 years as a Republican, we’re outnumbered three to one registered Republicans versus those who are registered as something else. And even in LA, where I live, we just had a mayoral race and the Republican ish opponent. He’s Republican all his life and then he turned to be independent and then, right before he decided to run for mayor, he switched his party to a Democrat, knowing full well that people in LA don’t pull their lever for somebody with an R at the back of an A. So he outspent the victorious Democrat 10 to one and he still lost by almost nine points. It’s almost impossible to win nationwide. In California, democrats dominate the state, which is why I wrote that book Askels California my Mission to Rescue the Golden State and Save a Nation. Because it shows you what happens when you have a one-party state like California, two-thirds majority of Democrats in the Senate, two-thirds majority of Democrats in the Assembly, and they pass every job killing brain dead bill after another, after another, after another, to the point now, for the first time in California it’s 170 year history people are leaving. The average price of a home in California is 175% above average. The test scores are near the bottom of all 50 states. We have a serious homeless problem, a serious illegal immigration problem, a serious crime problem, all because of the policies that people in California have consistently voted for. I was asked during the race whether or not I supported term limits. I said yeah. For voters, you vote two or three times Democrats, you lose your right to vote. I was being facetious, but there was a headline elder once voters termed out.

Niki Tshibaka: 18:07
Oh, that race was obviously intense and it highlighted something that we see way too often, larry, where it seems like people of color who are conservatives or Republicans and who developed some measure of social or political influence and yours is broad and deep they often become targets of some of the most revolting threats and attacks, which is really ironic, because supposedly we want people of color to think for themselves, and so the idea of just going after a person of color just because they happen not to follow the, say, democrat party line is just really sad. But during your run for governor, la Times columnist made an absolutely horrendous comment about you. It’s even hard for me to say right now, but she called you quote the black face of white supremacy, and that was shocking in and of itself. What was even more shocking to me was I don’t remember seeing a broad, widespread condemnation of her comments in the national media, and I think that’s symptomatic of a problem that is pervasive, where you have a lot of black Americans, like the janitor you mentioned at the airport, who actually agree with your views and convictions but are afraid to take a stand publicly for them for fear of the backlash. What would you say to some of those folks, to encourage them to get out into the public square and not to be afraid of taking a stand for what they believe, like you have.

Larry Elder: 19:44
Well, Niki, I’ve been called an Uncle Tom, a bootlicking Uncle Tom, a bug-eyed foot shuffling bootlicking Uncle Tom the anti-Christ. I’ve been called that name that you really want to hurt somebody’s feelings. I’ve been called Republican even before I was a Republican. But the thing that I fear most being called is you’re mistaken, you’re wrong. I rarely hear that. I hear a name calling. When I talk about the fact that the police kill more unarmed whites every year than they kill unarmed blacks, very few people tell me that I am wrong. They often tell me I am defending the white man, whatever that means. But what I really fear is mistating something, mistating data. I don’t worry too much about the shrill attacks, because it shows you that you’re completely and totally out of ammo. And what’s ironic, Niki, about this and about your question you’re asking me is we claim that we want a diverse country. I remember one time Brian Gumbel was making some derogatory comment about Republicans. He doesn’t like the Winter Olympics, or he didn’t at the time, and he says something to the effect of the Winter Olympics reminds me of a Republican convention, meaning that there are very few black participants.

Niki Tshibaka: 20:49
So when there is a black participant as a Republican.

Larry Elder: 20:51
He then is maligned as a blackface of white supremacy. So what do you want? You want black Republicans or do you not want black Republicans? Which is it? You can’t win. And Joe, I just the other day went on the show called Charlemagne the God. Charlemagne the God is a very popular radio host out of New York. He’s got about four million followers on Instagram, two million on Twitter or a million followers on Facebook. He’s got a real, real impact and he’s what I call a black victim, somebody who believes that black people remain oppressed and the disparities that we can complain about have to do with racism as opposed to cultural kinds of things and bad choices people are making. So I was on his show and three against one and one demeaning comment after another, after another, after another, and most of the time I would make a point and the response would be some sort of emotional dig as opposed to here’s why, here’s where you were wrong. And I tried to explain to him that this business about referring to America as being systemically racist Not only is it wrong, not only is it undermining people’s initiative, it’s getting people killed, it’s called the Furr-Decor, the George Floyd effect, and that’s a phenomenon of pulling back all over the country, as they have in the last few years, because of being attacked, of having been systemically racist. Even the Democrat mayor of Chicago, rami Manuel, a couple of years ago referred to the Chicago PD as quote having gone fetal, close quote, following that high profile shooting of black person, meaning they weren’t doing their jobs.

Niki Tshibaka: 22:26
I mean sorry, let me stop you right there, larry. We’ll come right back with Larry Elder running for president. Stand by and we’ll pick up when you come back.

Kelly Tshibaka: 22:42
We’re back with Larry Elder. Larry, you were just finishing up talking to us about your thoughts on all things with black America and how there’s a double standard for people who think for themselves and choose to be Republican.

Larry Elder: 22:59
Right and I was talking about the rather brutal hour and six minutes I had with Charlemagne, the God out of New York, because I’m talking about some of the things going on in the black community, and he said to me, what have white people done wrong? And I said, charlemagne, what are we talking about here? 70% of black kids into the world without a father in the home, married to the mother. A young black man aged 10 to 43 is 13 times more likely to be murdered than a young white man. Same demo the top cause of preventable death for a black person 19 years and under is homicide, almost always at the hands of another 19 year old and younger, whereas the top reason for death for a white man 19 and under is accidents like car accidents or drug accidents. Homicide is the fifth largest reason for the death of people who are white, 19 and under. 5% of white people who are dead at 19 and under are dead because of homicide. We’re 35% of black young people 19 and under are dead because of homicide. We have a 50% urban dropout rate in many of our urban schools. We have schools like Milwaukee where 13 public high schools. 0% of the kids can do math at a grade level, another half a dozen. Only 1% can. That’s half of all the public high schools in Baltimore, all located in the inner city. We’re 0%. Now, if you have those kinds of conditions within the white community, I’ll talk to you about that. Right now we’re talking about what’s going on in the black community and rather than say let’s deal with this, you’re mad at me for not outing the bad things that white people have done. It doesn’t really make any sense. It’s not getting us anywhere. It’s not advancing the ball.

Kelly Tshibaka: 24:39
Those are really good points. Speaking of advancing the ball you’re running for president, we want to give you as much time as possible to talk to us about your presidential campaign. We want to start off with two questions what would you tell our audience distinguishes you from the crowd of candidates who are running in this presidential primary? And, if elected president, what would some of your main policy priorities be, whether foreign or domestic?

Larry Elder: 25:04
Well, what distinguishes me is that I am a America first mega guy. But we have an America first mega guy running and he’s got a pretty commanding lead. Why then are you running? I’m running because I want to put front and center some issues that the others are not talking about very much, if at all. One of them we already talked about and that’s the epidemic of fatherlessness. As I mentioned, 70% of black kids into the world without a father in the home married to the mother, up from 25% back in 1965. That’s 25% of what I kids do, and the numbers are clear If you’re raised without a dad, you’re five times we’re likely to be poor and commit crime, nine times we’re likely to drop out of school and 20 times we’re likely to end up in jail. And we don’t talk enough about this. All these kids need mentors. I liken it to alcoholics anonymous, where every single recovering alcoholic has a mentor. And I’m urging all the baby bloomers my generation who have retired or about ready to retire. They’re still vigorous, they raise kids, they nurture grandkids to get involved and step up and become sponsors. And if you can’t do that or won’t do that, how about lending resources? We’re spending a lot of money at the federal level on programs to reduce poverty. They don’t work. The programs that do work are the ones that are in neighborhoods, ones done by churches. You ought to be able to take your tax dollars that have been directed towards programs going to Washington DC and redirect those money for programs in your own neighborhoods, and that’s what I’m going to be urging when I become president. The other big thing I want to talk about is the lie we talked about this a little bit earlier that America remains systemically racist. As I said earlier, not only is it getting people killed, it’s a Ferguson effect or the George Floyd effect. It’s also driving nonsense like reparations, which is my opinion, is the extraction of money from people who are never slave owners to be given to people who are never slaves. It’s driving stuff like race-based preferences, which, on the paper, sounds wonderful. In reality, what it does is cause a mismatch between students and campus and, as a result, the so-called beneficiaries of race-based preferences are often dropping out when they would have finished fine at a lesser competitive school. Then they drop out, they end up with a lot of student debt, they end up being angry. All of it is pointless. The other way it’s getting people killed is. Take a look at the George Floyd or the Black Lives Matter riots of May of 2020. They were four months long, 35 people killed, largest riots and protests in American history. 2,000 police officers were wounded, $2 billion of property damage, maybe another billion dollars or two of uninsured property damage. Many of these properties were mom-and-pop restaurants or businesses owned by the very Black and Brown people the people claiming they care about. More importantly, there is zero evidence, however you feel, about the treatment of George Floyd, and I thought the verdict was a just verdict. However you feel about the treatment of George Floyd, there is zero evidence he was mistreated because of his race. The lead prosecutor of Black man took pains in his opening statement to say the police in general were not on trial. The Minneapolis PD in general was not on trial. This individual was on trial and Derek Shulin was never even charged with a hate crime, but people are in the streets because of an assumption that what happened to George Floyd had to do with his race. This is the damage that the media does and the Democrats do in corrupting the way people see an issue. For example, there’s a website called Policemaagcom and they discussed a poll where people who self-described as very liberal and I dare say, of the millions of people who participated in these protests in 200 different cities, probably most of them would probably self-identify as very liberal. They asked very liberal people how many unarmed Black men did the police kill in 2019? And, by the way, unarmed does not mean not dangerous. Michael Brown was unarmed, but his DNA was found on the officer’s gun. But put that aside, how many unarmed Black men did the police kill in 2019? 50% of the self-described very liberal people thought the police killed 1,000. Of those who self-described as just liberal, 39% thought the police killed 1,000. The police killed, according to the Washington Post database, 12. Now, that’s the gap between what people think is going on and what really is going on. And, as I said earlier, the police kill more unarmed White men every year than unarmed Black men, but most people could not name an unarmed. White person. You can go on YouTube and type in the word Kelly Thomas, fullerton Police. It’s a White man, homeless, mentally ill, and he was beaten by the police over a longer period than was George Floyd held. And there’s another one called Tony Tempa, t-i-m-like Mary P, like Paul, a, dallas, texas, a few years ago, another mentally ill guy held down. I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe. Kind of the same scenario as George Floyd and you can’t even name his name because it’s not the right race. Nobody cares. A few months ago we had this incident on the subway in New York where that retired Marine, daniel Penny, put a chokehold on Jordan Neely protests on the subway. They got in the train tracks and blocked the subways and ultimately Alvin Bragg brought charges against the Marine. Zero evidence that he would not have acted had Jordan Neely been White. Put that aside. Three weeks earlier, I kid you not. Tulsa, oklahoma, a homeless Black man walks out to a White man who has his back turned to him, picks up a gun, shoots him in the back of the head, kills him execution style. Goes to another part of Tulsa, walks up to another White man, pulls out a gun, shoots him, kills him execution style. At mids. He did it because they were White. Now he got caught. But if it had been the other way around, we know his name, we know the victims, we know their names, but because they weren’t the right race, nobody cares and, as a result, people get the false impression that this happens all the time, when in fact, most homicides are same race homicides. Most Black people are killed by other Black people. Most White people are killed by other White people. By the way, every single year there are some interracial Black, white or White Black homicides about 750 each year. 500 Whites are killed by Blacks, even though Blacks are just 13% of the population. 250 Blacks are killed by Whites, even though Whites are 60% of the population. So when there are interracial homicides, it is more likely to be a Black perp than a White perp. And if you look at violent crime between Blacks and Whites other than homicide by them talking about attempted homicide, manslaughter, rape, assault with a weapon there are roughly between 500 and 600 such acts every single year and 90% of the case it’s a Black perp and a White victim, only 10% the other way around. And these are the kinds of things I was trying to tell Charlotte Mayn the God, and his head almost exploded. So it just isn’t true. Black people are not being pursued by the police. They’re not being pursued by White supremacists. Even though Joe Biden the other day at Howard, gave a commencement exercise, it said the number one threat to the homeland was White supremacy. Really, 25 people were killed who were defined as extremists, according to the Anti-Defamation League, last year, whereas in 2020, 11,000 Black homicide victims, 90% of them were killed by other Blacks. I don’t think very many of them, if at all, were killed by White supremacists. So it’s a lie that’s getting people angry, and the reason Democrats do it is because they want Black people to go in there and pull that lever for the Democratic Party, because the party has successfully characterized itself as a party of social justice and equity, whatever that means, and they successfully characterized the Republican Party as a party of figures and races. I don’t know how they pulled it off, given the rather sordid history of the Democratic Party the party of slavery, party of the Confederacy, party of Jim Crow, the party of Dred Scott, the party of the KKK, the party that voted as a smaller percentage for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than did Democrats, the party that is a party of the welfare state that destroyed the family and is a party that opposes school choice, but somehow they’ve convinced Black people that they’re the White horse and these people over here are wearing the black hat and sitting on top of the black horse.

Niki Tshibaka: 32:52
It’s amazing. It’s amazing what we’re seeing, and you know, having lived abroad my entire childhood I this is just from personal experience, not data, but I can. I can tell you one of the things that surprised me when I came here as a young man for college was wow, america really treats people of all races so much more equally and respectfully than anywhere else I’d ever been. I’d experienced far more racism in Africa, south America, in Europe, all places where I grew up than I ever have here. That’s not to say we don’t have work to do, but everything that you’ve been saying, larry, is just common sense. It’s data, and until we, as a black community and as a country, can just embrace that and say, okay, the data speaks for itself, we’ve got to change how we’re thinking about these issues. We’re stuck, and so I really appreciate the fact that your, your your voice, is out there bringing these issues to light and speaking about these things really boldly. You’re a prolific and engaging author. In fact, you’ve written that great new book as Goes California my Mission to Rescue the Golden State and then save the nation. I can’t wait to read it and encourage our listeners to go out and buy it too. But following along those lines. Let’s like, let’s take your, your, your writer’s pen. Oh, we’re out of time, so we’ll have to save it first of other time. Larry, great to have you on the show to our, to our listeners. If you want to support Larry, be sure to go to LarryElder. com. That’s LarryElder. com. Larry, thank you so much for being on the show. We encourage you to keep standing firm and standing fast. And the same to our listeners. Take care everybody. This is Stand.

Larry Elder: 34:40
Kelly, thank you so much for having me, and you know where to find me.

Niki Tshibaka: 34:42
Thanks, larry, you’re always welcome here.

Kelly Tshibaka: 34:44
We wish you the best, Larry. We’re back on stand with Kelly and Niki Tshibaka, just having ended a great interview with Larry Elder, former candidate for governor of California, now running for president of the United States. I thought that was a fascinating interview.

Niki Tshibaka: 35:12
You know it really was. As I’m thinking about it, one of the powerful things that that Larry brought to the table was his personal story and data facts to support what his views are and what his approaches to how we can improve the situation for the black community in this country. It was, it was. I mean, he just went like, fact after fact, data point after data point. And it’s so important because, at the end of the day, in order to solve a problem, you have to properly diagnose it, and it’s it’s just not helpful to say, oh well, systemic racism and just that those are the two words you throw at every issue, every problem as it relates to people of color. That’s not helping them, that’s not helping us. I’m one of them. What’s helpful is what does the data say? How do you know? And, taking from that data, what can we then do? What kind of solutions can we then put together for the problem? And so Larry did. He said look, 70% of you know black kids are growing up fatherless and we know that that’s a big contributor to poverty in the future and they’re more likely to engage in crime, whether you’re black, white or any race, if you grow up without a father. It’s just that we were seeing an epidemic of this in the black community, and so he had the data and he had a solution for it. We’ve got to start working at a community level, community levels across the country, to encourage and help black families, poor families that are struggling, say, in this kind of an area, to fight back against the kinds of things that are keeping them in the place that they’re in. And I just thought that was very powerful and I love the fact that it was a community solution.

Kelly Tshibaka: 37:11
It wasn’t.

Niki Tshibaka: 37:11
Dc has to fix this, because what our politicians will tell us?

Kelly Tshibaka: 37:15
no offense, sweetheart, but hey, I never elected a lot of politicians.

Niki Tshibaka: 37:20
But? But you know what politicians will tell us is they they’re the ones who have the solutions and are the solution. And really, I think, more often than not, our communities across the country are the ones that have the solutions and are the solution, and that’s what I heard Larry saying is like we need. That’s why we need to redirect all these taxpayer dollars to community organizations that are actually doing the work on the ground and know what needs to be done.

Kelly Tshibaka: 37:45
Yeah, I think he’s I don’t know what the word is like a solutioner, but I like your solutionary. Yeah, exactly the connection you made that he. He gave the data, but he didn’t just stop there. He then put it into a meaningful solution that could actually deliver results and outcomes, which is what makes for good policy. It’s rooted in something besides just, I feel, leology. I feel, therefore, it’s database. But the other thing I really noticed is that when we said, hey, the floor is yours, what are you focusing on as president and he could have said anything the stuff he chose to focus on is actually born out of his own story and his experience, which I thought is fascinating because it’s almost like saying it worked. If it worked for me, then it’ll work for the rest of America, which is true. And you have someone whose family came from experiencing incredible racism I don’t think anybody could challenge that and deep poverty and really had to struggle to then live the American dream. They experienced what a lot of people would say doesn’t exist anymore. I don’t believe that. I know Larry wouldn’t believe that your families live the American dream, and so is mine, but he would say we could make that a reality for everybody by putting these things in step in place, and one of them is family, family values, like you’re saying, the solutions for, I would say, parentlessness, whether that’s fathers or mothers we sure are seeing a lot of single fathers he says putting solutions in place for education. You know, like he said, sometimes people are going out through all the grades of school and they’re still graduating without literacy or math proficiency. We need to solve that. What he would say, and the solutions coming through the community rather than from top down capital based solutions, community oriented solutions, education solutions, family solutions that’s what worked in Larry’s home and community to create a whole different outcome and reality. And so then if we could just duplicate, replicate that across America, wouldn’t that work for every home and every community? I think logically, the answer is yes is we’ve talked about the family unit. Is the base economic unit in America. It’s the base morality unit, it’s the base support unit, is the base everything. Stronger families make a stronger America. So I think it’s interesting to hear a presidential candidate not just local candidates or school board candidates focus on these grassroots issues and really refreshing perspective from somebody who’s been at all levels. The other thing I thought was interesting is right at the end he started to talk about the communication part when he was kind of comparing and contrasting across the aisle. I thought it was great that he didn’t beat up other people in his party but instead contrasted himself with who the opponent would be on the other end of the ticket to say it’s interesting that they would say that they’re the party who does this one. Actually they did this, but they communicate something different. I think something that would sell Larry Elder part is his vast experience in communication. To be able you know, we didn’t have to ask a lot of questions, he just talked but to be able to communicate effectively. This is the history of the experience of the Republican Party. This is what we stand for. We don’t need to sling mud and get into name calling, because we need to talk about the ideas and the policies and the solution rather than get into hostilities. I thought that was interesting.

Niki Tshibaka: 41:29
You’re right that that does make his voice part of what makes his voice unique among the other candidates buying for the Republican nomination and, to your point as well, the one being the his ability to communicate so effectively and so well, but also, like you said, the focus on community action, community grassroots working together to resolve our countries issues. Right, I haven’t heard that much from from many of the candidates and I’ve been listening pretty closely, and so I think that’s that’s a unique thing that we need to hear more about and, as a country not just as a part, as a country think more about and talk more about, not in a combative way, but really in a way where we can really engage in some robust dialogue and debate on to come to a good solution. Right, because ultimately we want every American, no matter what race, no matter what gender, no matter what sexual orientation, we want Americans, all Americans, to thrive and to be able to experience the fruits of, you know, the American dream. And that seems to be what his focus is. And it’s interesting, as I think, with all kinds of solutions to major problems, oftentimes the simpler ones are the most effective. Right, you’ll have 5,000 pages of legislation to DC right to fix the problem, and what Larry was proposing doesn’t amount to anywhere near that, but will be a lot more effective right yeah, yeah, like dads, right yeah, kids need dads. Kids need dads, kids need moms, kids need to finish high school. Kids need to be able to read, write and, you know, do arithmetic right. We. That should be the focus of our educational institutions. K through 12, period. End of story, nothing else. Well, when?

Kelly Tshibaka: 43:29
it comes to our audience and the whole question of how do you take a stand and what do you stand for. Some of the things that I heard him say that I thought were good takeaways are know your data, like, know the facts, know what’s true and have some of that in your back pocket. And it was almost like hearing him say because once you see, you can’t unsee, once you know the truth, then you have to do something about it. And something else I heard him say, kind of in between the lines, is you have to take a stand for the things that move you. You don’t see him out there taking stands for things that were that he was unaffected by. You see him taking a stand in the things that link directly to his personal story. I didn’t know how he’d answer those questions in the beginning about his own personal story, but he has a fascinating story and the things he’s doing now, later in life tied directly to experiences that his parents had and that he had. So knowing your data and then the things that move you, that you see and you’re kind of shocked by doing something about it. And then actions speak louder than words. So so, doing something locally and then don’t just talk it, live it. He’s walking the walk, not just talking the talk.

Niki Tshibaka: 44:51
Well, you make the great. you’ve made this point, I think, really effectively that we’re all products of our story, of our history, and he’s building on a legacy that his parents left for him and it’s a powerful legacy, not just in terms of what his father did, but remembering what he said at the beginning about his mother being a Democrat, his father being a Republican and them having very robust and it seems like passionate debates and dialogues at you know, at the kitchen table, about their different views and obviously having a very long and wonderful marriage. That’s what we want for our country, right? We want that to be able to have different views, to passionately be able to debate those different views and find areas of agreement and where we don’t not resort to demonization and division. And so I thought again, his, his mother and father’s story is one of is powerful in the sense that it’s diversity in and of itself, that diversity of thought and perspective, but unity within it, and that’s America.

Kelly Tshibaka: 46:02
Yeah.

Niki Tshibaka: 46:03
That’s who we are.

Kelly Tshibaka: 46:04
That’s right. It was a fascinating conversation, so that’s a wrap for us All of you who are listening. You can find this episode on our website, standshow. org, or follow us on YouTube at the stand show. Of course, you’re posting on social media under Kelly for Alaska. If you are one of our faithful listeners, we call you the standouts. So thank you for being a standout with us and we can’t wait to see you on the next episode of stand with Kelly and Niki Tshibaka. Until then, stand firm, stand strong and have a wonderful week.